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He has bad results because these hydrogen kits are sold incomplete in amenuities. If he were to understand how the internal combustion engine works, he would have chosen a better kit then this one but i checked myself to buy a good one and made it install at a good tuner shop and unfortunatelly nobody sell and install a good hydrogen electrolyser kit because no tuner shop in u.s.a and canada knows how an internal combustion engine works. Some even put electrolyte in the water to help boost the electrolysis and this produce acids that will provoke rust in the engine destroying it in a few years.

For good results with that kind of kits you have to re-program the engine management unit and today no tuner shops can re=program the engine because each models year for each manufacturer is different with differents codes, so on.

These kit should be sold and installed with a reprogrammation that measure in real time the intake manifold pressure, engine rpm, engine temperature, oxygen in exhaust, gasoline injectors operation, ignition timing. Then when you inject hho gas you have to retard the ignition timing and put less gasoline. And the electrolyser should have space in it to contain some hho at some pressure 5 to 10 pounds by square inch and a gazeous injector
like the bmw-hydrogen inject the correct quantity of hho and gasoline at any given time.

This customer is a masochist and im not, that's why i didn't purchase this kit. It's been 4 years that im looking for a good kit
and maybe the best would be a kit installed in the factory by the manufacturer to save easilly 30% to 60%. Gm could save themself by installing a good kit on their dying s.u.v. That's why
i said yesterday that gm is there to serve big oil. There is 20 time
more profit in petrol selling then car making and gm is just a reseller of petrol.

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"He has bad results because these hydrogen kits are sold incomplete in amenuities. "

Or because this is obviously complete BS.

There is no free lunch get over it. It takes more energy to extract hydrogen than you can possibly get by burning it. So you should get less mileage running these scam kits.

People always fall for nonsense like this when fuel prices go up. Try living in reality instead of wishful thinking land.

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I think the problem is he only employed HHO (changing the bond angle of water). He should also have attached magnets to various places on his car.

Perhaps HHO doesn't increase MPG alone, but combined with the power of magnets, the results should be obvious.

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I bet he is glad he used his producer's car instead of his.

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By no means am I a HHO apologist. However I keep an open mind with the technology and a.brein has a valid and astute point. The reason for the failure is simple in modern computer controlled engines. you have a Oxygen sensor but not a hydrogen sensor. most HHO systems are injected through air manifold intake. when the Oxy sensor notices more oxygen being taken in it compensates with more fuel. It (the cars computer) is looking for a certain Oxygen/ fuel mixture to be burnt. But the computer doesn't know the person has added hydrogen to the mix. Therefore you burn more gas as it compensates for the additional Oxygen.

You have to modify the computer program to compensate for the added HHO mixture. You do that and you would see an increase in MPG with these systems. But until then you will burn more gas and defeat the purpose.

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you need to apply feng shui with the positioning of bumper stickers and coins stuck in between the center console and seat.

THIS will never work thermodynamics is not a oil company conspiracy

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He has bad results because this won't work, because it can't work. Electrolyzing the hydrogen out of the water costs far more energy than you'll get back by combusting it.

If you do the math, it becomes blazingly obvious. Here's a site that explains the actual physics of it: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

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Say what you will, and I'm sure I'll get flames for this, but I decided to try one of these about two months ago, and have had much better results. I currently drive 700 miles a week. Prior to installation, I was getting between 29 and 32 MPG in my 2007 Aveo. For the first two weeks, I didn't see any improvement, then I installed the map sensor enhancer. Since then, my mileage has gone up to 32-36, while typically getting about 35. It doesn't seem like much, but considering I get gas every two and a half days, this has netted me more than a free tank of gas every month.

So say whatever you want, but I now know that it can work if done right, just don't expect the 70% increase that some of the sites claim.

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No wonder the United States is so far behind in the sciences. Instead of facts we prefer to rely on magical thinking to solve our problems. As George Bush so ineloquently claimed, there is no magic wand.

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People seem to be confusing two different principles here:
1) the amount of hydrogen you can get for a given amount of electricity;
2) the effect of HHO on the combustion of gasolene.

The first is important if you want to run a car for free. M. Faraday studied DC electrolysers and came up with a limit as to how much hydrogen you can get for a given amount of electricity. He was wrong. He didn't have access to modern catalysts and nano technology which increase production markedly. He also never studied pulsed electrolysers because the technology wasn't available. With the correct pulse shape and frequency you can produce vaste amounts of HHO for very little electricity and can indeed run a car for free amongst other things.

The second is more important for our present purposes. To understand it you must realise that a gasolene engine is very inefficient. The addition of HHO make the combustion process and therefore the engine much more efficient. This is because HHO burn much faster and more violently than gasolene. The effect of combining the two is that the gasolene is combusted more effectively with HHO than on its own. This gives a rise in gas mileage. The reason it didn't work for the bozos in the article is as already stated. They didn't understand the science behind it. The ignition timing must be retarded for this to work properly, otherwise the faster burn of the HHO mixture works against the rising piston in an advanced ignition setup.

This system works best with older vehicles that have distibutors and no engine management system. It's a shame that we have been led into needing all these computersied systems and sensors in a car when we could have been running them for free without all that stuff.

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