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•How much does the car cost?
•How much does the fuel cost?
•Was the fuel made from natural gas?
•How long will the fuel cell last?
•How much will the fuel cell cost to replace?
•How often does he stop to refill the tank?
•Since 98% of H2 comes from natural gas, why not just convert a standard car to burn the natural gas for $1,500.00 instead of spending a $Million on a fuel cell car?
•Would he be better off just topping up a battery electric car each night?

Hydrogen is a stall and a ruse to steal tax money from foolish politicians and delay the REAL electric car which is 4X more efficient.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Battery_EV_vs._Hydrogen_EV.png

We are sick & tired of being played for fools.

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How carbon free is the power for that hypothetical EV you're measuring that hydrogen vehicle against?

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JPM (#2)

It’s about conservation of energy resources. More efficiency means less carbon per watt.

Both electricity and hydrogen are simply energy carriers and NOT sources. It's about the efficiency, cost, infrastructure and self-sustainability of the energy carrier, NOT just how much taxpayer money we can get by promoting it. Electricity is simply a (4X) more efficient energy carrier than hydrogen and will therefore waste LESS energy in the conversion, transportation and end utilization process.

The sun's energy stored in hydrocarbons (oil, coal, natural gas) and the "big Bang's" energy stored in uranium are the ONLY stored energy sources this planet has ever known and BOTH also contain co-stored agents which are also released when used.

Renewable solar energy (biofuels, PV, thermal, wind, wave) and tidal energy from the moon’s gravitational forces are neutral only because they are used when alive and fresh in the CURRENT energy cycle.

Of course, if you can make low temperature nuclear fusion or zero point energy work, we’d ALL love to hear about that.

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BlackLight's Hydrino Going Commercial

The BlackLight Process is said to generate enormous amounts of cheap, non-polluting heat that will replace the thermal power in coal, oil, gas and nuclear power plants that is then converted to electricity.

Dr. Shelby Brewer, former CEO of ABB Combustion Engineering and Assistant Secretary of Energy during the Reagan Administration said of this announcement: “In my nearly 50 years in and around the energy business, I’ve yet to see a breakthrough as promising as this one. When I was studying to become a nuclear engineer in the 1960s, I never imagined I would see a day like today.”

Michael Jordan, former CEO of Westinghouse and current board member of BlackLight Power, says “the breakthroughs announced by Randell Mills and his team of scientists will go down as one of the most important advances in the field of energy in the last fifty years.”

http://pesn.com/2008/05/29/9500481_Blacklight_commercially_ready/

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@jpm100
Well it's a known fact b/c of the inefficiencies of the fuel cell converting hydrogen to electricity (around 30%-50% system efficiency) that any equivalent way of making electricity will ALWAYS be cleaner (or more efficiently used) than hydrogen (the laws of thermodynamics govern that 83% is the highest it can reach, ever). That's just the laws of physics. The only way to get around that is to find a way to make hydrogen in which electricity can't be produced using the same process. Biological hydrogen production (algae) is one such way, but it is still in research state.

But Tim lets tone down on the hydrogen attacks b/c we don't want to be biased; I think any alternative fuel source should be given it's chance. Most of the money going into these hydrogen cars is paid for by the automaker, be it this equinox or the clarity from honda. That's fine by me if they want to dump money into this. I don't think the politicians are giving most of the funding for these cars.

The hydrogen research isn't stopping BEV or PHEV research so far b/c GM is still committed to the Volt, so I don't see much reason to be too hostile to hydrogen.

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Jake (#5)

That is the reason for my post #4.

This is a VERY interesting use for H2.

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Blacklight is considered a crackpot theory by actual physicists. It is more along the lines of Steorn orbo.

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Hydrogen has a greater power density than lithium batteries, and can be refueled quicker. It's just a different concept, and in either case they are powered by electricity, which can be generated with renewables. Are we trying to conserve the renewables too? Isn't it too early for that?

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