Geneva '08: GM announces new second-generation mild hybrid system
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In mid-2006, General Motors released their first mainstream hybrid vehicle with first Saturn Vue Green Line. Prior to that the company had offered a mild hybrid system in the Silverado pickup but since that was really only offered in limited volumes to fleet and commercial buyers, we'll skip that one. The system in the Vue was dubbed the GM Hybrid system but it's more commonly called the belted-alternator-starter (BAS) system. Since the first Vue, the BAS system has been added to the Saturn Aura and Chevy Malibu as well as the redesigned 2008 Vue.
Last fall at the Frankfurt Motor Show GM showed a concept Opel Corsa with an updated version of the BAS system. At the time GM declined to give any details of the system other than the fact it had a lithium ion battery. At the Geneva Motor Show today, GM Chairman Rick Wagoner is announcing that the next-generation GM Hybrid system will go into production in 2010. More importantly, the upgrades to the system will make it more suitable for a much larger range of applications and production of the system will be increased dramatically. Learn more about the second generation of GM's mild hybrid system after the jump.
[Source: General Motors]
The BAS system has been criticized by many since it's debut for it's limited gains in fuel efficiency compared to hybrids from Toyota, Honda and Ford. In some applications that criticism has been pretty valid, with the Saturn Aura hybrid only picking up 2mpg over the conventional four-cylinder model. The new Vue on the other hand gets a 27 percent bump in mileage going from the base four cylinder to the hybrid. The one advantage that the system has had over competitors is cost. The price premium for the BAS system is typically only about $1,600-1,700.
The GM Hybrid system is actually pretty straightforward and requires relatively little in the way of changes to the base vehicle. The heart of the system is the motor/generator. The standard alternator is replaced by a unit that looks very similar but has the capability to provide extra drive assist to the engine. To do that GM had to develop a belt drive system with two idler tensioners to allow the motor to drive the engine as well as the other way around.
Normally the forces acting the drive belt only act on one side of the belt as the engine pulley pulls the belt to drive the alternator. The other side of the drive belt would be slack as the engine pulley can't push on a rubber belt. The idler takes up this slack. If the motor is driving the engine, it's pulling on the normally slack side and the reverse side would go slack requiring a second idler pulley.

All of this allows the motor/generator to provide automatic start/stop capability, motor the engine along with fuel shutoff during coast down, provide electrical power boost under acceleration and regenerative braking. Electrical energy for the current generation of the system is stored in a 36V nickel metal hydride battery. The 5kW capacity of the motor/generator and 36V output of the battery limits the application capability of the system which is why it's only available with the 2.4L four cylinder in three applications.
When GM showed the updated system in the Corsa last fall, it was paired up with a 1.3L turbodiesel. When the new system launches two years from now it will have the capability to be used with many more drivetrains, including diesels and flex-fuel engines. That's because an all-new motor generator using different technology will provide three times the power of the current unit while fitting into roughly the same package size. During a pre-show backgrounder, GM officials declined to say exactly what the nature of the new motor design was. GM also declined to get specific about the output of the new motor although 15kW is a good estimate and would put it at the same range as the mild hybrid system being developed by Mercedes-Benz and BMW.
The same basic drive system will be retained although it is upgraded to handle the extra power. Of course a more powerful motor and generator needs more electrons and place to store them. For a system that's intended to be applied globally to a wide range of vehicles and engines, a nickel battery won't cut it.
The new system switches over to a lithium ion power battery. Again GM was short on details, but they did give us some tantalizing hints. While Stephen Poulos, chief engineer for the hybrid system declined to reveal exactly what the battery voltage would be, it will be more than the 36V of the current system and less than the 300V used in the Two-Mode system. Somewhere around 100V seems to be a good bet.
The new pack will be 24 percent smaller in volume than the current NiMH unit. It will weigh forty percent less and have thirty-three percent more power. The smaller more powerful battery will give GM better packaging flexibility helping to make the system more adaptable to other applications.
The control software for the current system is completely different from the two-mode system. While developing the two-mode, GM engineers made the software architecture scalable and flexible so that it could be used with different hybrid applications. That includes the mild hybrid which will now use the same software base.
The low power capability of the current system means that it's not practical for use on bigger vehicles. The increased power output and energy storage of the new version makes it suitable for use with almost every mainstream application GM has. During the presentation Poulos provided an application example that started with the 3.6L V-6 that GM uses in numerous applications including the Lambda platform crossovers. That engine produces around 260hp depending on the application.

As an alternative, Poulos showed a turbocharged 2.4L four cylinder that matched the torque curve of the V-6 above 3,000rpm but was lacking at the lower regions where most drivers spend most of their time. With the next-gen mild hybrid system providing a torque assist at lower engine speeds in combination with the turbo four, the overall curve matched or exceeded the larger engine. While the current Two-Mode hybrid apparently doesn't fit in the Lambda engine compartment, this system definitely would. While matching performance, the turbo hybrid combination is smaller, lighter and more efficient.
While GM was undeniably reticent about getting too specific more than two years ahead of the production launch, they expect the new system to deliver a 15-20 percent boost in fuel economy compared to a similarly powerful conventional system. They also declined to say which vehicles would get the system, although the current vehicles are an obvious start.
However, the fact that they chose to announce the system in Geneva is a clear system that they intend to offer this system in every market they operate in. The system will be compatible with both front and rear wheel drive systems, so it seems likely that we'll see the new hybrid on rear drive cars like the Pontiac G8 and Chevy Camaro. While hybrids haven't been particularly in Europe to date, the coming of CO2 limits in Europe will require companies like GM to go beyond the diesels they currently offer.
GM also declined to say how the manufacturing cost compares between the current and next gen systems. They did say that they expect the customer cost to be similar to the current system and it will be profitable quickly as volumes climb. No one would say on the record how high they expect volumes to go, but all indications are that 100,000 per year is strictly a jumping off point.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
3-04-2008 @ 8:58AM
mike said...
A quicker solution would address GM's Insane Over-Capacity of horsepower in all models.
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3-04-2008 @ 9:07AM
Chris said...
Mike, Its not like GM is alone in that problem. Blaming GM for having to much horsepower across their model line is about as bright as blaming the sun for light.
The industry is this way. There are lots of vechicles who style I like, I just hate their mileage. (GM only has two vehicles I like, one being the vette)
what car maker doesn't have too much power across their line?
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3-04-2008 @ 9:46AM
Chris said...
A little more BAS, two years from now... {yawn}. "Again GM was short on details, but they did give us some tantalizing hints." {typical}
Historically the MPG benefits vs. the cost of the BAS system have been less than other full hybrid models. Also the current BAS system does little to address emissions (other than idle stop).
Full hybrids may cost more up front but return better fuel economy (per dollar spent) and produce less harmful emissions. For those who look at the hybrid premium payback numbers, full hybrids with more fuel savings will pay back quicker (compounded as gas prices rise) when compared to the BAS/mild systems.
Unless GM plans to sell a million of these, I can't see where it's worth the effort...
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3-04-2008 @ 9:50AM
rgseidl said...
Sam -
at constant ohmic resistance (i.e. same cables), power in DC systems is proportional to the square of the applied voltage. Upgrading the system from 5kW to ~15kW would therefore require going from 36V to ~64V. GM might still decide to go for 110V regardless.
Combining reduced displacement/cylinder count, GDI, turbocharging and a mild hybrid system sounds attractive but is expensive. Since GM already has an inline 4 with 600cc per cylinder, they may want to consider applying ~20% low pressure EGR and a regular VGT turbo (Ricardo's EGR-boost concept) to deal with turbo lag and modest torque at low RPM. A cheap 12V start-stop system based on an AGM lead-acid battery plus efficiency small fry (intelligent alternator control, electric water pump, thermal management, variable flow volume oil pump etc.) would complete the picture.
The torque curve would not match that of the 3.6L V6, but money saved on the hybrid components can then be applied toward a 6-7 speed dual clutch transmission and/or shaving weight off the vehicle. The idea is to replicate vehicle performance while improving fuel economy.
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3-04-2008 @ 10:11AM
Tim said...
First, economy of scale is a good thing.
Second, 20% increase means that an SUV that gets 20-mpg normally will get 24-mpg with this system and a 30-mpg “econobox” will get 36.
I'm just giddy with anticipation, BUT I need to know exactly how much more will it cost than a standard system so I can calculate how many decades it will take to recoup my investment since I will STILL be a slave to the gas pumps.
On second thought, with $4.00/gal. gas, I'll just buy (or convert) an electric car or buy a Volt (it they are less than $30K) as my daily driver. Maybe I'll rent a “smoker” when I need to take one of those occasional trips, or perhaps I'll take the (hopefully electric) train.
By the way GM…
No plug? NO SALE!!
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3-04-2008 @ 10:13AM
SpinDaddy said...
Looks as tho the General intends to keep laming along with these BAS until they can leapfrog the parallel hybrids with the series hybrid, even their two-mode hybrid system could be adapted to series arrangement.
It will be inetresting to see if any bright bulbs over at Chrysler have the idea of combining their 3.0 V6 bluetec diesel with their version of the same two-mode hybrid transmission yielding a Dodge Durango or Jeep Grand Cherokee or Ram 1500 pickup with mileage in the mid to high 30's. -SpinDaddy
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3-04-2008 @ 10:50AM
C Mattson said...
Laming along? Actually, I think GM's got this about right:
The premium on their mild hybrid isn't that much: there is a $2400 difference in price on the base 4-cyl Saturn Auto and a mild-hybrid Saturn Aura. The tax credit for the Aura is $1300.00 - a new premium of $1100 for the consumer.
Take the same Saturn Aura, add a 20% bump in gas mileage and the car will get you an estimated 27/34 mpg. The current Saturn 4cyl (22/30), the current Saturn hybrid (24/32). Compare to a full-hybrid Camry (33/34 mpg) that stickers at $25,350 and that Aura looks like a middle-weight alternative with a much-lower cost. The lines are really starting to blur between a mild and a full hybrid. This system does propel your car under full electric power. Can it still be called a mild hybrid?
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3-04-2008 @ 11:04AM
MikeW said...
I really hope GM has new engines for 2010 [calendar year?].
How about direct injection on the 2.4?
What about the 2.2 I4? It gets variable intake & exhaust valve timing for '09 MY.
What about the 2.8 & 3.2 versions of the V6?
GM's problem isn't over-horsepower, it is under-transmission.
For '08 GM sells the Tahoe with a 4 speed automatic. Unbelieveable.
Replace the 4L60 with the 6L80, add VCT to the 5.3 V8 [circa 330hp, 350ft-lbs] and the performance should scare the sh*t out of prospective customers.
'Yeah this 5500+lb vehicle can get to 100mph in 1/3 of a mile'
Then they will realize that they don't need but 75% of that.
Say a 250hp, 375ft-lb diesel V6.
or lob two cylinders off the LS3 V8 for a 4.6 liter V6. 315hp, 315ft-lbs, on regular.
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3-04-2008 @ 11:07AM
Charles S said...
I think GM is doing the best that it can without pricing its cars out of market. I tend to think that GM really is not very serious about pushing miserly cars because it knows what every manufacturers knows: the general public do not rank fuel-usage as high priority when it comes time to buy.
The word "hybrid" may still be a buzz word for now, but how long will that last? People like to SAY they really want to use less fuel, but sales figures does not reflect such sentiment. If I have to guess, leather seats will still rank higher than fuel-saving gadgets. People will not bother to count the "payback" for most options that they buy (premium sound, nav system, etc), but with hybrid premium, consumers will nitpick it to death and then just end up buying that sports car or SUV they wanted in the first place.
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3-04-2008 @ 11:18AM
Charles S said...
OOPS. To wrap up my point: I believe GM is taking the "mediocre" option because its goal is to make a profit, not make a car that uses less fuel.
GM has to adopt because it cannot ignore the potential market for hybrids, yet at the same time, it doesn't want to bet the farm on fuel-saving vehicles because history is likely to repeat itself; people will easily give up on hybrids and move onto the next fad. I see that GM will continue to ride the PR campaign on the Volt and sell just a few hybrids here and there. When the market for hybrid truly matures, then maybe we'll see some serious competition from GM in the next decade.
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3-04-2008 @ 11:32AM
s10 said...
it was so predictable. Another GM milestone announcement that is a drop in the ocean.
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3-04-2008 @ 11:40AM
MikeW said...
Suburban 2500, 5.3 VCT 6L90 (these guys like to tow)
4x2 3.73
4x4 4.1
Suburban 1500 5.3 VCT 6L80
4x2 3.73
4x4 4.1 (hey, those are the same as the 2500!? Yes, but the 2500 has smaller tires 245/75 16 vs 265/75 16. The tow 'guys/gals' like cheaper tires to 'burn through')
Tahoe 5.3 VCT 6L80
4x2 3.42
4x4 3.73
If that doesn't happen for '09, GM should just sell the company to the Chinese and be done with it.
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3-04-2008 @ 12:04PM
MikeW said...
"This system does propel your car under full electric power. Can it still be called a mild hybrid?"
Yes. If you can't drive faster than a bicycle...
Look at the graph. It looks like electric mode up to about 5mph.
It seems as if GM has designed this system to have the torque converter engaged at a stop. [not a bad thing]
So the BAS motor not only spins the engine, it spins the transmission, which moves the car.
Hopefully this will use the 6t40 instead of the 4t45. 1st gear is MUCH shorter. 4.58 vs. 2.95 (That is still almost 50% greater when you include the axle ratio differences, In the Malibu 2.89 vs. 3.05 [3.63 in the VUE green line, almost 25%])
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Photo%20Library/Transmissions/2008%20Automatics/08_4T45_ME7_Hybrid_LoR.jpg
The old one. Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/Photo%20Library/Ecotec/LAT/08%202.4L%20I4%20VVT%20LAT%20AUR%20LoR.jpg
The new one. Hefty, hefty, hefty.
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3-04-2008 @ 12:16PM
MikeW said...
5mph, it sounds like the Honda Civic hybrid.
25mph on battery alone in the Prius.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=108445/pageId=67421
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3-04-2008 @ 1:16PM
GeoffdR said...
GM was showing this off at the Vancouver Green living show this weekend (Feb 29, Mar 1 and 2) when I was there. They only had a mild hybrid malibu there for a Green car, and then also the HHR SUV (then pictures of the volt and video of some hydrogen stuff). Also you could test drive something like 5 others including the solstice. Unless GM REALLY comes out with something big for the people to buy, they will go the way of the dodo, and I won't really care.
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3-04-2008 @ 2:11PM
Lad said...
When GM introduced the EV1, it had the chance to leap frog all the car companies, even with Pd batteries had they been smart about costing the batteries by leasing them. Remember they owned 60% of the NiMH patent company, Ovonics. But they gave way to the oil companies and helped create a "red herring" called The Hydrogen fuel cell. Some say this was done in agreement not only with the oil companies and our oil President/Vice President. And this might very well be true because GM sold their 60% Ovonics interest to the oil companies who have suppressed the development of a large format NiMH battery for automobile use ever since.
GM suffers from one major problem, it is obsessed with counting its beans when good engineering decisions would have assured an excellent supply of beans going forward. When they needed an enginering guy on the bridge, they found themselves depending on accountants.
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3-04-2008 @ 5:57PM
Bill said...
No one was interested in _purchasing_ large-format NiMH batteries in OEM quantities until recently, with the Aura.
Hobbyists were upset Cobasys wouldn't sell them NiMH batteries for one-off conversions.
Battery research long ago moved on to lithium-ion technologies - NiMH is simply inadequate for series hybrids like the Volt.
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3-04-2008 @ 6:10PM
A.Brien said...
GM should stand for Great Monster. They are as big
as stupid. It's a financial consortium that happen
to make cars for oil compagnies. The oil compagnies
are easily 100X more profitable and they bought
in some way Gm and goverments too in the 1920s-1930s. With today's technology (computer aided design)they can easily make a series hybrid like the volt but not in 2011 but in 2007 or before, LOL. I mean an electric car like the ev1 but with a small gas range extender. They know how to do an electric car then they just have to buy a small gas
electric generator like the small one on sale at wal-mart at 100$. By the way they can change their
uniform sheet metal steel body to something more suitable to my tastes like bond aluminium panels and chassis, airplane like.
Im sick of shopping over car internet blogs and websites(contact us section). It's been years and
as of today no majors manufacturers or start-ups
compagnies have taught, design, tested and build and put on the markets the car im ordering to buy.
It's easy, just do like the computers and electronics compagnies. Better each years and smaller price. So 200-300 mpg with 300 h.p, aluminium body, rear wheels drive and a price between 3 000$ to 20 000$ is reasonnable.
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3-05-2008 @ 12:59PM
Wise Golden said...
The magnitude of this debut is obviously lost on some of the die-hard GM haters on this site. Basically, what I’m reading is that GM has improved an economical BAS system and is making it ready to fit all of their models. I know that die-hard hybrid lovers think poorly of the BAS system, but in reality, it’s very good and is now getting much better. In fact, because it’s inexpensive, it’s the only practical hybrid system that can be applied to a small fuel efficient vehicle. I’m surprised that the voltage of the system has gone un-noticed by everyone. “it’s around 100,” like 110 maybe? What could that imply? Also, the small but powerful battery that leaves room for what…..an additional battery as an option to go with your plug system? This is a home run for GM, the environment and our oil security.
No bad news in this report from GM, Chris, Tim, A Brian -- Find something to legitimately criticize.
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3-05-2008 @ 4:37PM
Julius said...
@ Lad,
Just curious - where was the market for the EV1? Do you really think GM killed it because of the wishes of big oil? If there was a real public interest in it, the program wouldn't have died. But counting up all years of EV1 production, you might get maybe 1100 cars. That's not even close to a month's Toyota Tundra sales.
GM saw what it had, and decided not to keep going. This happens alot to many programs "ahead of their time".
And as for the new BAS - sounds like an easy way for GM to get a quick bump in MPG to try and meet the 35MPG by 2020 (or 44 MPG if California wins vs. the EPA) and remain profitable.
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