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1. YMMV

Posted at 6:43PM on Jan 29th 2008 by stevejust

2. It should be noted that driving in a "spirited" manner affects the gas mileage of all vehicles.

Owners of otherwise stock Subaru STIs routinely get on the order of 5 to 10mpg at track days, draining a tank of premium gas in as little as 70 miles...

Posted at 8:28PM on Jan 29th 2008 by rob

3. Rob, You're absolutely right. However the difference is that you can refill the tank of an STi in just a few minutes. With the Roadster you'll have several hours of downtime until the fun can resume.

Posted at 8:30PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Sam Abuelsamid

4. I don't think too many people will be concerned the lower mileage. My guess is that a lot of owners wouldn't use this as a daily driver. It's a fun car. One to drive when going to a fancy restaurant, theater, to the golf course, with your significant other on Valentines day, etc. 200 miles, 100 miles, should be plenty.

Posted at 8:48PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Roger

5. This site talk a lot abouth the tesla roadster but
very few abouth the eco-fueler. The eco-fueler
cost 5 times less and is somewhat less beautiful but on par for speed and acceleration and cost few in fuel because it use natural gas and is lighter.
I will appreciate knowing more abouth the eco-fueler.

http://www.eco-fueler.com/about/introduction.html

Posted at 8:53PM on Jan 29th 2008 by A.Brien

6. A. Brien, did you read this:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/16/la-2007-5-minutes-with-american-roadster-creator-john-green/
and this
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/11/12/the-american-roadster-by-eco-fueler-seats-one-and-a-half-men/

Posted at 9:00PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Sam Abuelsamid

7. A typical day for me is less than 50 miles. An unusually long day of driving might take me 100. The farthest I would ever take the Roadster is 150. It is capable of handling all those. Certainly, when I need to go 150 miles, I'll have to take it easy on the acceleration. I could do that easily by just keeping it in 2nd gear. Oops, that's not an option anymore, I'll just have to have the discipline to show some restraint.

For me, personally, I don't see a problem. If it's a problem for you, buy another car. There are many to choose from, and most are cheaper, so go for it.

Posted at 9:20PM on Jan 29th 2008 by BlackbirdHighway

8. BlackBird, The single gear that will be in the final production models will have the same ratio as the second gear in the two speed box.

Posted at 9:22PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Sam Abuelsamid

9. Ummm... the downside would be that nobody can actually buy one and drive it.

Posted at 10:16PM on Jan 29th 2008 by texmln

10. When he explained the corrected range estimate, Drori said that "we feel the real world numbers are a better reflection of what you might see in day-to-day use."

Okay. So let's look at those "real world numbers," as reported by Andrew Simpson in the "Touch" blog of the company's website.

They are: 267 (best-case scenario), 230, 227, 222, 213, 209, 203, 186, and 165 (worst-case scenario). When I calculate those figures, I come up with an average range of... 216 miles, i.e., 5 miles lower than the second EPA test.

It therefore looks like the anecdotal reports actually substantiate the latest laboratory results, so that's probably what one should really count on for "day-to-day use" --despite what Drori stated.

Posted at 10:56PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Yanquetino

11. Sam, Darryl Siry has stated in the Tesla owners forum that the single speed production transmission will not be the same ratio as second gear in the current xtrac transmission.

Posted at 11:32PM on Jan 29th 2008 by Don A

12. Seriously, who cares? They'll have a working production model out with minor changes, meeting a plus or minus projected goals of the specs.

If anyone has to worry about all the details or how much the mileage is or is not, then it's PROBABLY not the car for you. I'm just excited to see history being made since no start-up auto company has been successful in the past 80 years or more.

I just can't wait to see what the white star is going to look like.

Posted at 2:50AM on Jan 30th 2008 by whocares

13. @Sam Abuelsamid
Hawaii had been testing their Hyundai SantaFe (the older generation) EV models with 10min fast charge for 100 mile range. It is using different chemistry than the tesla, but if the tesla can handle it, it can concievably charge in 25 minutes for around 100 miles of spirited driving. There isn't much infrastructure yet for this though, but it could be a possible direction for future EVs. It's still not as good as a gasoline refilling, but 25 minutes is much better than 3 hours. Then again, if there really is serious racing, then a battery swap would probably be even faster, but not really practical for any other use.
New battery tech may help improve energy density in the future, but I don't see many ways to help the charging speed except by upping the voltage and current.
I guess the charging speed limitation pretty much kills any chance of an EV race car, except for maybe using battery swaps, or having very short races. In normal driving, I don't see the charging speed as being that bad of a limitation except for those living in apartments and the like (but that could be changed quite easily by adding powerports) and except for really long drives, but I guess that's what range extenders and PHEVs are for.

Posted at 3:30AM on Jan 30th 2008 by jake

14. Previously, the second gear could be used as an "economy" gear, because it would always give you better miles per electron than first gear. Now, regardless of the final gear ratio, there is only one gear, and there is enough power to drain the batteries plenty quick if the driver doesn't show some discretion. Not a big problem really, the one speed is still a fine solution.

I really like the idea of the quick charge, but only if the range remains well over 150 miles. For my 150 mile trip to the beach, I don't want to have to stop and recharge, even if it only takes 10 minutes. Most likely, there wouldn't be any quick chargers along the way for many years to come, so that just wouldn't work at all.

Otherwise, the charging time is completely irrelevant; the thing charges at night while I'm sleeping.

Posted at 5:17AM on Jan 30th 2008 by BlackbirdHighway

15. Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how can "driving with lots of regenerative braking" give you more miles per charge than driving sedately? On a flat road you'll always get less back in regeneration than you output in the first place.

Posted at 7:24AM on Jan 30th 2008 by Nick

16. Nick: You're right. You'll always get back less, the question is how much less. The ability of the regen to charge the battery is power limited, which is to say the harder you hit the brakes, the more of your kinetic energy is lost to heat rather than being recaptured.

If you keep your speeds low you will loose less energy to wind resistance, and if you are light on the brakes you will be able to recapture a greater fraction (even if always < 100%) of you kinetic energy.

Posted at 9:45AM on Jan 30th 2008 by GoodCheer

17. I have no issues with the range, especially for a daily driver. I would venture to say that 99% of the US population drives less than 100 miles a day. I only put on 15 miles a day driving to work, to the gym, and back home. I have friends here in LA and Houston that have daily commutes of 60-80 miles roundtrip; still well within range of 'spirted' driving.

Even when I go for a motorcycle ride in the canyons north of LA, I still only put on 120-140 miles tops.

Posted at 12:02PM on Jan 30th 2008 by spdracerut

18. Yes, the Roadster doesn't go to far when driven fast. But, consider the conditions: going full blast on a curvy moutain road, and on a cool day.

Exaclty how often do you encounter this kind of situation in real life. Most cars spend their time on striaght, boring highways or crowded cities. If you do end up on a mountain road alone on a cool day, I'd say it is probably beacause you planned on going there.

About Autoweek only managing 93 miles:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/tesla-roadster/913-magazine-reviews.html

Siry posted:

"Mark used 74% of charge and went 93 miles - that equates to 125 miles on the full charge. He drove very fast and with the top down and heaters at full blast with me in the passenger seat (220 lbs)

Final note on that figure: VP10 did not have production spec brakes with rollback seals that significantly reduce drag."

Posted at 9:12PM on Jan 30th 2008 by Joseph

19. "Ummm... the downside would be that nobody can actually buy one and drive it."

This old bullshit again. They just delivered the first production Roadster to a customer. They're in production. You can buy one. Let it go with the "omg wtf vaporwhere!" crap.

Posted at 9:42AM on Feb 4th 2008 by Snark

20. My stock S2000 (2.0L 4cyl) lasted for 90 miles before needing a fillup after 2 hours of *really* hard driving. Normal range is 250miles. Getting 100+ miles on an EV with hard driving is amazing!

Posted at 4:01PM on Mar 19th 2008 by stookinc