Volkswagen not too happy about proposed EU CO2 rules
Filed under: Volkswagen, Legislation and Policy, European Union
Volkswagen has issued a statement in response to the European Commission CO2 rules that were published this week. The carmaker called the rules unfair to German manufacturers as it hits them much harder than automakers from other countries. This is a very disingenuous statement on VW's part since all manufacturers have the same rules to deal with. It just happens that VW, Mercedes, BMW and Porsche happen to have a lot of powerful, thirsty cars. VW is particularly irked by the penalties for failing to meet the new standards. They claim the rules don't provide a long enough phase-in time. VW also wants carmakers to get some credit for innovations that are not included in the driving test cycle such as vehicle-to-vehicle and infrastructure communications and driver education. While these last items can help reduce fuel consumption, they don't affect just the particular car-makers vehicles but all vehicles. If any of these communications technologies actually get implemented, the effects, if any, should be reflected in the test cycles, not just particular vehicles.
[Source: Volkswagen]
Volkswagen on the CO2 regulation decision of the EU Commission:
An integrated approach is essential
The Commission overshoots economically beneficial targets by far.
Wolfsburg, 19 December 2007 - the decision of the EU Commission on CO2 regulation published today poses severe challenges for European carmakers. In future, especially German manufacturers will bear the brunt of CO2 reduction. Volkswagen is prepared to face up to the challenges of climate protection with innovative, cost-effective technologies. Thanks to innovative technologies such as TDI and TSI engines and DSG transmissions, Volkswagen models boast the highest CO2 efficiency. However, the Group expects legislators to create balanced, comprehensible conditions so that European manufacturers can put their global competitiveness to the test in the future and offer customers a broad range of models meeting all mobility needs at affordable prices.Volkswagen supports the regulatory model proposed by the EU because it generally takes into account the variety of customers' wishes in Europe. However the innovation capabilities of German car manufacturers and the process of technology transfer, which normally proceeds from the premium and luxury classes to high-volume models, will be severely impaired by unacceptable burdens. Similarly, the competitiveness of European high-volume manufacturers and component suppliers will be adversely affected; in future, they will face severe competition from low-cost non-European manufacturers.
The penalties proposed by the EU Commission for exceeding future limits are far removed from a CO2 reduction strategy that is efficient in terms of the overall economy and also viable for businesses. What is needed is a system that is fair and realistic, can be implemented within the proposed time frame and does not create disproportionate burdens for German carmakers compared with their European competitors. It will be appropriate for all manufacturers to tap the economically viable potentials for CO2 reduction available in all vehicle segments.
All participants in road traffic should contribute to climate protection. It will be necessary to implement the integrated approach agreed with the EU Commission in 2005, which included not only the oil industry but also biofuel producers, infrastructure operators and drivers themselves.
What is needed is a technology-neutral regulatory approach that takes into consideration not only all the technical innovations in the official European driving cycle but also all the technical and non-technical achievements of manufacturers outside the driving cycle, including vehicles with intelligent communication systems and driver education. Volkswagen supports calls by the German government for high flexibility in reaching the reduction target of 130 g CO2/km and expects legislation to provide appropriate leeway as regards the reduction measures to be taken. The objective must be to ensure the highest possible degree of economic viability in climate protection and to stimulate the development of innovative technologies.













Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
12-20-2007 @ 9:34AM
kert said...
in other news, sun rises in the east and cats still dont like dogs.
the message to all the whining automakers should be, play by the (new) rules, or get the hell out of the ring.
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12-20-2007 @ 9:52AM
Domenick said...
Some bratwurst with your whine?
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12-20-2007 @ 11:14AM
Karkus said...
Last time I checked, the VW Polo Bluemotion had the lowest (or second lowest?) CO2 emissions of any car currently made at 99 g/km. So why are they complaining?
By complaining about this rule, it shows they are more interested in selling their V10 Touareg and 12 cylinder Phaeton (348g/km)!
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12-20-2007 @ 11:15AM
small-wee-wee said...
Breaking news: Hell cannot freeze over due to high CO2 levels from human over consumption and greed!
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12-20-2007 @ 12:02PM
Karl-Uwe Strunzen said...
The Germans really should get out of the ring, as they are the real cause of the problem.
"In future, especially German manufacturers will bear the brunt of CO2 reduction. Volkswagen is prepared to face up to the challenges of climate protection with innovative, cost-effective technologies."
This is completely false. The Germans didn't honor the 1998 agreement on CO2 reductions, while the French and Italians did. It's that simple.
The German carmakers have a very large share of the German car market (compared with national makes in France and Italy). The luxury cars are also the ones with the highest margin. So that when an agreement was signed in 1998 to bring emission averages down to 140 in Europe you would have expected the Germans to be the first ones there, right? Wrong. In 2006 Peugeot-Citroen, Fiat-Alfa-Lancia and Renault-Nissan had averages of 142, 144 and 147. That's basically two years earlier than the 2008 deadline. The German average has actually gone higher!
The Bluemotion is not a mainstream solution like the Italian multijet engines and CNG hybrids, or the French HDi and biofuels. The Bluemotion, as is currently marketed, is a very expensive car (take for example the price of the polo bluemotion)
The Germans need to get off their bumbs and stop focusing on larger cup-holders.
They need to start:
(1) making efficient engines such as multijet or HDi which also emit less
(2) start engine downsizing. Efficient engines, without even changing the car weight, already allow for an engine size reduction.
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12-20-2007 @ 4:07PM
Exciton said...
Karl-Uwe Strunzen:
German politics consist only from wishfull thinking and is very far away from reality. This also true about public opinion there. Don't forget that German car companies are succesfull in premium segment, where power, size and brand name matters. Name, earned hard. When workers had little social security benefits and companies had little competition. Many customers around the world buy their BMWs or Mercedes cars just because they are made in Germany. Because they've heard in childhood from their grandfathers how reliable Mercedes is. Marketing department of Mercedes knows this very well. Their lower segment cars can't compete with OTHER manufacturers: workforce in Germany is expensive as nowhere else. And en masse customers are't willing to pay extra just for the brand name in this segment. Very few people in Germany aren't aware about this situation: their level of life strongly depends on what cars BMW or Mercedes will produce.
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12-20-2007 @ 5:39PM
Karl-Uwe Strunzen said...
As to the 33%, just as an example which comes to mind, there is the "shaky" year in UK car sales this year compared with other countries in Western Europe. I am referring to car sales which have gone at times from quite negative one month to rather positive the next according to ACEA. If this 33% is part of one of these positive monthly tides (which includes a kind of recovery from a previous month) I'd say it's rather unfair to start pointing the finger at environmentally-friendly cars. If anything, one could start working on the number of passengers in cars (car pooling etc)
Again, because of the difference between highly-efficient cars and SUVs in footprint, CO2 and other emissions, I wouldn't start changing the CO2-based system unless we were talking about a 200% change (not a speculated change).
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12-20-2007 @ 5:42PM
Karl-Uwe Strunzen said...
oops. sorry, this posting was intended for another message window I had open
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12-21-2007 @ 9:03AM
nagmashot said...
befor 2000 VW was the car company with by far the lowest CO2 fleet emission in Europe..
Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen simple killed all large powerfull cars or offer them only in underpowered versions with less than 200hp in most cases with only 150hp.
Most cars Fiat offer are smaller as a Golf no large all engines are under 150hp. Next to Fiat all other are more close to 160gr/km as to 140gr/km including Citroen and Peugeot.
Befor jumping on VW and blaming them people should get some information together befor they drop a word.
Today VW offers in Germany different 8car models with 23 engine/tranny versions with under 140gr/km CO2. That is more than any other car producer!
model - number of under 140gr/km
VW Fox 1petrol 2diesel
Polo 2petrol 4diesel
Cross Polo 2diesel
Golf 1petrol 5diesel
Golf+ 1diesel
Golf Variant 2diesel
Jetta 2diesel
Eos 1diesel
one of the models is a under 100gr/km CO2 car...
compared Fiat vs VW, VW does MUCH better in the microcar, subcompact to compact class CO2 fleet emission if you compare competetive models.
The problem of VW they have a modelrange including 2.5to SUV, large Multivan with 8seats, large powerfull luxury sedan with many different powerfull engine options which kill the fleet CO2.
Fiat is the first car company only selling what politicans order us to drive. VW offers models customer want to drive, including higher power cars with over 200hp and more than 3 or 4cyl. engines and larger as bobbycar.
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12-21-2007 @ 7:28PM
Karl-Uwe Strunzen said...
There's a lot of wishful thinking here but the numbers tell a very different story. According to EU figures VW, which produces cars like Peugeot-Citroen (142), Fiat-Alfa-Lancia (144) and Renault (147) has by far the worst CO2 average of 166 g CO2 among the mainstream producers. VW did not have the best CO2 before 2000 either. The reason a CO2 penalty system is being studied in Europe is that the French and Italian manufacturers have honored the 1998 agreement for 140 g CO2 by 2008 a good two years ahead of schedule (this figures refer to 2006). At the same time the German figures have actually GONE UP!
If you take a look at this table
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/how-to-use-the-data-tables.asp#petrol
there isn't a single German car in the top 10 for either petrol or for diesel. The only exception may be the Smart. However for most people Smart doesn't go under the heading "car" as it seats 2 people and has a motor-cycle engine (800cc). Indeed Smart sales have dropped 33% since 2005 because the price was higher than the 4-seaters in this list, despite the Smart really being in the motorcycle class (motorcycle type vehicles where you don't need a driver's license and in some countries can drive at 16).
In the Small and Compact segments (aka A-segment and B-segment) VW figures are dismal in Europe. In Germany of course this doesn't apply as basically only German cars are sold in Germany (compare with national market shares in Italy and France). So much so that if German natzionalism were to slow down, VW could be in big trouble (but I don't see this happening as this would imply a big change in German mentality).
If VW produce inefficient engines that obviously isn't Fiat's fault. Fiat produces plenty of engines (unfortunately) above 150 hp, including this one:
http://www.saab.com/main/GLOBAL/en/dyc/93_S/step2.shtml
Why do you think BMW have a Peugeot engine in the Mini and Daimler have bought 2.2 billion worth of Fiat engines for their trucks? The same is true for Opel, Tata, Suzuki and Saab. Why doesn't anyone buy German engines? Because they are very inefficient and very expensive.
The trend however for all manufacturers is downsizing, and if VW can't do this it's because their engines aren't efficient enough.
The sales figures for Europe in segments A and B are as follows:
http://www.just-auto.com/article.aspx?id=93109&lk=s
A-segment
"The Fiat Panda remained the top selling car in the segment."
B-segment
"YTD, the top sellers were the Fiat Punto, Renault Clio, Ford Fiesta, Opel/Vauxhall Corsa and Peugeot 207"
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